Color Change for Black Swan in Australian Roses

Update February 2015: Black Swan is Australian Roses has returned to its original formula, so the “old” color noted here is now the color we are seeing. We’re leaving this blog post up purely for historical reference. 

Video Highlights:

  • Overview of the situation (0:01)
  • Showing inks that compare to the original color (3:17)
  • Showing inks that compare to the new color (4:52)
  • Inking up and writing with both colors in an Ahab flex (6:40)

It’s true, the color of the famous Noodler’s Black Swan in Australian Roses has changed from a burgundy to more of a purple. The difference is noticeable, but not as drastic as it sounds. I know this will seem like some big kind of scandal, especially given that this is one of the most popular inks sold today at GouletPens.com.

We discovered this a couple of months ago, when one of our on-point team members noticed a slight color difference when sampling up the color. We checked all the ink we had on hand and pulled the purply color off the shelf while we talked to our Noodler’s distributor and the man who makes Noodler’s ink, Nathan Tardif. We had to test some things, rule out some other things, as we thought that it could be a batch variation, maybe the ink needed more time to settle on its final color (because it can change slightly over time), and rule out every possibility that we could because Nathan told us he did not change the formula.

What we ultimately discovered through all this is that there is apparently some raw dye component that changed from Nathan’s manufacturer that caused the color shift, even though the formula itself hadn’t been changed by him. We asked him if it was possible to reformulate the ink using different components (as he’s done before with other inks like Noodler’s #41 Brown back in 2012), but he told us that in this dye family, there is no replacement. This is it, it’s either this color or he discontinues it altogether.

We tested the ink, and the properties like shading, flow, water resistance and everything else are the same as the original color, it’s just slightly more purple than burgundy. It’s still a very impressive color, and I personally actually really like it for what it is. Of course, it’s not the same as the original and I know that many of you will be disappointed about this change, and for that I’m sorry. Nathan is sorry, as well. All our hands are tied on this one.

The thing that’s going to be just a little confusing in the meantime is that it’s kind of unclear when the color change actually happened. Because it wasn’t caught right away, it’s likely that for several months the new color has been getting mixed in at the distributor and at retailers (more so at the retailer level, as I don’t think this ink sits around long at all at the distributor). So it’s not going to be clear which color you’re actually buying unless the retailer in question knows the difference between the two and opens up every bottle to see what color they have, like we’ve done.

So I know what you’re thinking, “Brian, do you have any of the old color left, I really really really want it!” Well, I’m sorry to say that we don’t have any of the old stuff, everything we have at GouletPens.com from here moving forward will be the new color. And I’m willing to bet that at this point just about every other retailer will have the new stuff, too. You’re going to be hard-pressed to find the original color still laying around anywhere, but if you absolutely must have it, I’d get on the phone now with whoever you can think might have it and start calling around asking them to test their stock.

It’s unfortunate to have to announce a color change like this to one of the most popular inks, especially when we don’t have any of the old stock to offer you. I’m deeply sorry for that, but please don’t shoot the messenger. And please, please don’t be upset at Nathan for it either. He is one man making all of the Noodler’s ink in the world, and for him to have caught this before this point probably would mean that he’d spend half his time testing every batch of every dye component for a change every time he gets it in, which is impractical and would probably cut his ability to supply Noodler’s ink in half if he did that.

It’s an unfortunate circumstance, but look at the bright side. We now have a gorgeous intense-shading purple with a bulletproof component to it, something that actually has been highly requested. The purple dye itself isn’t permanent, but the black component to this ink is.

And hey, it’s still a pretty awesome ink. Just look at what our very own Joe, Alex, and Sarah did with the new color in today’s Monday Matchup:

I’d love to hear your thoughts, good or bad. I put together information like this to “Empower through education” (Goulet Value #4). Leave me a comment below to share what you think.

Write On,
Brian Goulet

2017-10-11T14:19:54+00:00 July 14th, 2014|Pen News|127 Comments
  • That’s too bad. This was the next ink on my purchase list. I’ve got lots of purples, but that red/black was quite lovely. I guess I’ll just have to siphon off a bit of the bottle my dad purchased recently in the old formula. ๐Ÿ™‚ In any case, I do appreciate GPC and Nathan Tardiff for the investigation.

    • Yeah, I hear ya. I will miss the old color for sure.

  • That's too bad. This was the next ink on my purchase list. I've got lots of purples, but that red/black was quite lovely. I guess I'll just have to siphon off a bit of the bottle my dad purchased recently in the old formula. ๐Ÿ™‚ In any case, I do appreciate GPC and Nathan Tardiff for the investigation.

  • Tom Johnson

    Shoot the dye manufacturer! I have a bottle purchased in January, the original color and love it. But, I like the new too and would probably buy it. Great ink properties. Maybe the dye manufacturer will get complaints from their larger customers than Nathan and change back. Thanks Brian for the quick catch and information. Maybe the demand for old stock will be so great that I’ll sell my partial bottle for mucho $$$ and buy the new ink.

    • Yeah, it’s funny to think that Noodler’s as big of a deal as it seems to us in the pen world, is hardly a zit on a fly’s butt to these larger dye manufacturers. Part of the reason Nathan runs into these issues is because manufacturing in general in the US is on the decline, so there’s a squeeze from industrial manufacturers of raw components like this that trickle down and effect things like our ink colors! -Brian Goulet

  • I wasn’t a big fan of the original and think the new looks better – ordering up a sample! A little surprised that Nathan didn’t realize the difference prior to shipping. (Pentulant)

    • I don’t know exactly what Nathan knew and when, but I can see how he’d miss it. You can’t believe the amount of ink that he puts out, and he’s just one man. It’s actually incredible the quality of his inks given the fact he’s the sole manufacturer, this issue is really just kind of a freak thing, not something that I think he would have been looking out for since it’s so unheard of for his raw components to change. -Brian Goulet

  • Christine Witt

    I wasn't a big fan of the original and think the new looks better – ordering up a sample! A little surprised that Nathan didn't realize the difference prior to shipping. (Pentulant)

  • snedwos

    what would happen if you mixed new AR with ER? Maybe something closer to the original? Maybe with some White Whale to clear it out a little bit?

    • That’s a good question, I hadn’t thought of that. I doubt it’ll be dead on, otherwise surely Nathan would have tried something like that ๐Ÿ˜‰ Sounds like a neat experiment though. -Brian Goulet

  • snedwos

    what would happen if you mixed new AR with ER? Maybe something closer to the original? Maybe with some White Whale to clear it out a little bit?

  • Ted

    My recent bottle of Golden Brown also is quite different from the sample that I got from Goulet prior (the bottle batch has less yellow to it). This makes me continue to worry about Noodler’s ink consistency.

    • Golden Brown, eh? I’ll have to investigate that one.

    • soniasimone

      I’ve found that Golden Brown changes in the bottle over time, I’ve gone through 3-4 bottles of it (over quite a few years). It starts beautiful but then gets a bit of a greenish tinge that makes it look a little like baby diapers. :/

      It’s one of my favorite inks, though.

      • Ted

        Interesting. Mine isn’t greenish; it just doesn’t have that strong yellow shade (less golden) that I witnessed in the sample I tried first a few months before I bought the bottle.

  • Ted

    My recent bottle of Golden Brown also is quite different from the sample that I got from Goulet prior (the bottle batch has less yellow to it). This makes me continue to worry about Noodler's ink consistency.

  • Ted

    Tardiff should change the name for this. There is not much of what one would call a “rose” look, Australian or otherwise. But thanks for the heads-up, Brian.

    • I’ll pass up the suggestion. Sorry to bear the bad news but I’d rather have it out there than have everyone wondering what’s going on when the new colors start popping up out there in people’s pens.

  • Ted

    Tardiff should change the name for this. There is not much of what one would call a "rose" look, Australian or otherwise. But thanks for the heads-up, Brian.

  • Robert Matthews

    I have a full bottle of the original, and just inked up a pen with it a few days ago: it’s probably my favourite blackened red (with Diamine / Cult Pens Deep Dark Red a close second). There’s nothing wrong with the reformulation but I never would have bought it if it had been that colour all along โ€” I already have plenty of purples. The new version is like a darker, slightly bluer Saguaro Wine (which I also have a full bottle of).

    • Yeah, it is somewhat like Saguaro Wine, but darker and with much more intense shading. That aspect of the ink hasn’t changed at all.

  • Robert Matthews

    I have a full bottle of the original, and just inked up a pen with it a few days ago: it's probably my favourite blackened red (with Diamine / Cult Pens Deep Dark Red a close second). There's nothing wrong with the reformulation but I never would have bought it if it had been that colour all along โ€” I already have plenty of purples. The new version is like a darker, slightly bluer Saguaro Wine (which I also have a full bottle of).

  • mhosea

    I sympathize with those who loved the old color. I like the new color better, actually, but I think it ought to be released under a new name.

  • mhosea

    I sympathize with those who loved the old color. I like the new color better, actually, but I think it ought to be released under a new name.

  • Z

    Brian, of course we all know it’s not Goulet’s or Nathan’s fault, so don’t worry ๐Ÿ™‚ However, I am still quite upset about this change–the original was my all-time favorite ink! The new one is a good color, and I’m glad Nathan didn’t choose to stop manufacturing the ink, but the original was just too perfect. Noodler’s Purple Heart is a similar color that’s also awesome, but I can’t help wishing that the original Noodler’s Black Swan and Austrailian Roses isn’t just gone like this!

    • I’m totally with you. I understand all the logical explanation just like you now do, but I think even as I was shooting this video it was kind of hitting me that “wow, this color is really gone”.

  • Z

    Brian, of course we all know it's not Goulet's or Nathan's fault, so don't worry ๐Ÿ™‚ However, I am still quite upset about this change–the original was my all-time favorite ink! The new one is a good color, and I'm glad Nathan didn't choose to stop manufacturing the ink, but the original was just too perfect. Noodler's Purple Heart is a similar color that's also awesome, but I can't help wishing that the original Noodler's Black Swan and Austrailian Roses isn't just gone like this!

  • Jerry

    That’s unfortunate. The new colour looks nice, but I’m glad I have the old one. This looks like a different ink, maybe it could have been given a new name with the unfortunate discontinuation of the old one.

    • I’ll recommend this to Nathan and see what he thinks.

  • Jerry

    That's unfortunate. The new colour looks nice, but I'm glad I have the old one. This looks like a different ink, maybe it could have been given a new name with the unfortunate discontinuation of the old one.

  • Lianne Bremer

    This is one of my favorite inks, and it looks like the color change has reduced the shading ability. It’s still a pretty color, however.

    • The shading is definitely still there, and very intense. The color overall is a little darker, but the video really doesn’t do it justice. The shading is still definitely there.

  • Lianne Bremer

    This is one of my favorite inks, and it looks like the color change has reduced the shading ability. It's still a pretty color, however.

  • John Fout

    How does the old ink compare to PR Black Cherry or Rohrer & Klingner Scarbiosa? Looking for something like the old one. It was a well behaved Noodler’s Ink…

    • Scabiosa is really more of a muted purple, not really close to the old BSAR but sorta like the new one. Black Cherry isn’t tooooo far off the oldBSAR.

  • John Fout

    How does the old ink compare to PR Black Cherry or Rohrer & Klingner Scarbiosa? Looking for something like the old one. It was a well behaved Noodler's Ink…

  • Cameron Stark

    Aw man, I loved the old color. The name should absolutely be changed, there’s no reason or excuse for a drastically different color to have the old name. It’s misleading. The new color doesn’t even fit the name anymore.

    • I know that Nathan definitely isn’t intending to mislead anyone. Clearly others feel as you feel, I’ll pass this sentiment along.

  • Cameron Stark

    Aw man, I loved the old color. The name should absolutely be changed, there's no reason or excuse for a drastically different color to have the old name. It's misleading. The new color doesn't even fit the name anymore.

  • Lira

    That’s a big bummer in my book. ๐Ÿ™ I loved the previous color and Noodler’s already has plenty of awesome purples. I understand the reasons for the change, at the same time, I think the name should be changed. Maybe Black Swan Spanish Roses or something to indicate that this is different than the previous Australian Roses.

  • Lira

    That's a big bummer in my book. ๐Ÿ™ I loved the previous color and Noodler's already has plenty of awesome purples. I understand the reasons for the change, at the same time, I think the name should be changed. Maybe Black Swan Spanish Roses or something to indicate that this is different than the previous Australian Roses.

  • Freddy

    What a bummer. The old BSiAR was so unique and a great color. The new one is meh. I agree with those who believe the name of the ink should have been changed as they are really not the same.

    • noted

    • Dave M

      What happened happened…it is what it is. I have a bottle of the new and love it…a great ink with many positive properties. I’m on the new name side though. Common! It’s a totally different color! How about Black Swan in Canadian Roses…or New Zealand Roses…keeping it in the commonwealth, etc. Or better yet, bring it to the USA as …Black Swan in Portland Roses! (Um, Portland is one of the USA rose cities). Well whatever happens I still love the ink!

  • Freddy

    What a bummer. The old BSiAR was so unique and a great color. The new one is meh. I agree with those who believe the name of the ink should have been changed as they are really not the same.

  • That’s… interesting to hear. I still have a sample of the original color which I haven’t reviewed yet. Too bad my review will be already obsolete when it comes. So who wants to bid on my unique sample of “original formula” Noodler’s Black Swan in Australian Roses?

    • Haha, yeah, hang on to that, it’s valuable now! Hey, if you want some of the new color too, just let me know. You can do a comparison of your own, I know I wasn’t super-thorough with the finer aspects of the ink here.

  • That's… interesting to hear. I still have a sample of the original color which I haven't reviewed yet. Too bad my review will be already obsolete when it comes. So who wants to bid on my unique sample of "original formula" Noodler's Black Swan in Australian Roses?

  • Stegadeth

    It is a very different ink in my book; not the same at all. I loved the original color quite a lot. I wonder if Nathan could recreate the color and shading without the properties it had before and market this new color under a new name? The new shade is lovely, but no where near BSiAR.

  • Stegadeth

    It is a very different ink in my book; not the same at all. I loved the original color quite a lot. I wonder if Nathan could recreate the color and shading without the properties it had before and market this new color under a new name? The new shade is lovely, but no where near BSiAR.

  • M. Fenmore

    A few months ago, I ordered a sample of the original and was set on buying a bottle. I was excited to see it finally back in stock for me to order… then the horror! The color change is drastic, and in my opinion, the name should be changed to reflect as such. The new color is nice, but it’s just not BSiAR. I guess one could say the name change would be “out of respect” for the original color. haha.

    • Yeah, looks like you got a sample right as the transition was happening, at least for us at Goulet. The reason we were out of stock of the ink for so long is because we’d gotten it in with this new color, pulled it off the shelves, and were investigating it. Now here we are, we didn’t want to sell the ink again until we told everyone what’s up.

  • M. Fenmore

    A few months ago, I ordered a sample of the original and was set on buying a bottle. I was excited to see it finally back in stock for me to order… then the horror! The color change is drastic, and in my opinion, the name should be changed to reflect as such. The new color is nice, but It's just not BSiAR. I guess one could say the name change would be "out of respect." haha.

  • Michael

    Question: does this dye change affect any other inks that might be using the same raw dye? BSiER or anything else?

    • Saritonin

      The video definitively says that BSiER is unchanged.

    • That’s a good question, I don’t believe so but I will look into that. I’m not privy to that information but Nathan theoretically give me an idea which inks could be affected if a particular unnamed component changes. He didn’t mention anything to me about it before when I spoke to him.

    • Brett Butts

      I’ve noticed that El Lawrence seems to have changed recently from a dark motor oil color to a lighter shade – closer to a dark olive. Seems like there is a yellow component that is more prevalent now, and the ink is more fluorescent under black light than before. I’ve compared samples side by side.

  • Michael

    Question: does this dye change affect any other inks that might be using the same raw dye? BSiER or anything else?

  • Saritonin

    The video definitively says that BSiER is unchanged.

  • Yeah, I hear ya. I will miss the old color for sure.

  • Yeah, it's funny to think that Noodler's as big of a deal as it seems to us in the pen world, is hardly a zit on a fly's butt to these larger dye manufacturers. Part of the reason Nathan runs into these issues is because manufacturing in general in the US is on the decline, so there's a squeeze from industrial manufacturers of raw components like this that trickle down and effect things like our ink colors! -Brian Goulet

  • I don't know exactly what Nathan knew and when, but I can see how he'd miss it. You can't believe the amount of ink that he puts out, and he's just one man. It's actually incredible the quality of his inks given the fact he's the sole manufacturer, this issue is really just kind of a freak thing, not something that I think he would have been looking out for since it's so unheard of for his raw components to change. -Brian Goulet

  • That's a good question, I hadn't thought of that. I doubt it'll be dead on, otherwise surely Nathan would have tried something like that ๐Ÿ˜‰ Sounds like a neat experiment though. -Brian Goulet

  • Golden Brown, eh? I'll have to investigate that one.

  • I'll pass up the suggestion. Sorry to bear the bad news but I'd rather have it out there than have everyone wondering what's going on when the new colors start popping up out there in people's pens.

  • Yeah, it is somewhat like Saguaro Wine, but darker and with much more intense shading. That aspect of the ink hasn't changed at all.

  • You're not alone here.

  • I'm totally with you. I understand all the logical explanation just like you now do, but I think even as I was shooting this video it was kind of hitting me that "wow, this color is really gone".

  • I'll recommend this to Nathan and see what he thinks.

  • The shading is definitely still there, and very intense. The color overall is a little darker, but the video really doesn't do it justice. The shading is still definitely there.

  • Scabiosa is really more of a muted purple, not really close to the old BSAR but sorta like the new one. Black Cherry isn't tooooo far off the oldBSAR.

  • I know that Nathan definitely isn't intending to mislead anyone. Clearly others feel as you feel, I'll pass this sentiment along.

  • I'm with ya, it's a bummer.

  • noted

  • Haha, yeah, hang on to that, it's valuable now!

  • BRB. Tightening the cap.

  • I'll recommend this to him.

  • Yeah, looks like you got a sample right as the transition was happening, at least for us at Goulet. The reason we were out of stock of the ink for so long is because we'd gotten it in with this new color, pulled it off the shelves, and were investigating it. Now here we are, we didn't want to sell the ink again until we told everyone what's up.

  • That's a good question, I don't believe so but I will look into that. I'm not privy to that information but Nathan theoretically give me an idea which inks could be affected if a particular unnamed component changes. He didn't mention anything to me about it before when I spoke to him.

  • Right, I know that ink is the same.

  • Mike Piontek

    Looks like I’m in the minority. I actually like the newer color better from what I see here. I liked using the old version in a very wet pen but other than that I wasn’t a huge fan of the lighter shade. This looks like a deep purple that looks pretty awesome. And then with bulletproof components to boot. I bet he figures something out eventually and then we can all enjoy two great inks.

  • Mike Piontek

    Looks like I'm in the minority. I actually like the newer color better from what I see here. I liked using the old version in a very wet pen but other than that I wasn't a huge fan of the lighter shade. This looks like a deep purple that looks pretty awesome. And then with bulletproof components to boot. I bet he figures something out eventually and then we can all enjoy two great inks.

  • Bianca Ndm

    I’m sad the ink has changed, I loved the old color! But I’m thrilled you guys caught the color shift. The old color was on my wish list and I’d have been very sad and upset if I got it and didn’t know about the change, so thank you for that! You guys really are the best.

    • Kathy Brothers

      I loved the old color as well. I won’t touch the conversation re. Nathan’s ability or inability to duplicate the old color. But, PLEASE, Nathan, rename it. It’s a different color!!!! The Goulet folks have shown their commitment to honest customer service. I wish Nathan would do the same.

  • Bianca Ndm

    I'm sad the ink has changed, I loved the old color! But I'm thrilled you guys caught the color shift. The old color was on my wish list and I'd have been very sad and upset if I got it and didn't know about the change, so thank you for that! You guys really are the best.

  • Thank you so much for the detailed update! I really appreciate the great lengths you guys went to in order to bring us all of the most important information about this change.

    I hope I can get my hands on a full bottle of the old formula, as I did really like the color. =/

  • Michael

    This ink is dead to me. Discontinue this and let me remember BSAR fondly.

  • Alexander Faust

    ๐Ÿ™ I really liked the old color and was considering this as a future ink. I don’t like the new color as much, it’s too hard in the magenta range. I like purples but this is more a darkened magenta pink as a real purple. Too bad there’s nothing that can be done to get the old color again.

    I think you might want to include a hint in on the shop page for this color as the color change is pretty drastic and some people could get disappointed when inking this up after seening some old color swaps somewhere.

  • David

    There’s no color perceptible to humans that can’t be duplicated by properly mixing dyes. In the new formulation one or more ink property may change slightly due to the use of different dyes but the color would be duplicated. The ink may be a bit more complex to mix than the original, but again, the color would match. There are machines that will automatically make the new recipe for you. You just send in a sample of the dye to be duplicated and the results are pop out.

    So there is no reason I can think of not to duplicate the old ink color other than slightly added complexity in the formula and/or a small increase in the dye cost. In short, the manufacturer doesn’t want to be bothered.

    Fountain pen ink is a product very much like restaurant food, Once your customers like something, they will remain faithful to it provided the product quality is consistent over time. Remember the “New” Coke? Nathan Tardif of Noodler’s Ink could learn something from that story,

    • Tom Johnson

      Nathan Tardif has formulated this ink to provide a very complex, very powerful chemical bonding between components of the ink and the surface of cellulose molecules. This makes this ink fraud resistant. He is not about to compromise the important properties of his ink for the sake of obtaining a specific color. This is not just mixing dyes to get a color, this is complex surface chemistry and chemical bonding. Other properties are flow properties and surface wetting, not to mention drying time – all for an extreme wide range of papers, which also have their own wide range of surface coatings. No other ink manufacturer has made an ink this specialized, so it is not easy to do. Do you have knowledge of the surface chemistry and bonding requirements for cellulose on the molecular level? Do you know what rheological properties are required to make an ink flow uniformly and consistently in all pen nib and feed combinations? Can you control the dry time so the nib does not dry fast but the ink dries faster on the paper? Mixing combinations of dye colors is child’s play compared to making this ink.

      • David

        In Reply to: Tom Johnson,

        Thank you for your excellent reply. I was hoping someone more knowlegable than me on this topic would chime in. I am an EE, but I have some experience in this subject from a manufacturing stand-point. Matching print dyes ages ago for me was simple given vendor support. I suspect these dye vendors are still in business and even more capable. That’s what I was referring to in terms of matching (and if you will “remix”) of basic dye colors.

        You are right, different “base” dyes may behave differently at the “molecular level” as you say. But I seriously doubt this is the case with Noodler’s (or other) typical FP inks. “Standard” dyes are purchased and mixed to make the PF inks in terms of volume FP ink manufacturers. So with a bit more effort, and with a relatively consistent supplier of dyes, you can match most any color to be the same or very similar to a color (AND with the same or VERY similar properties) of the previous mixed color based on a dye that has changed from same supplier.

        We don’t need to go to the “molecular level” for a minor single dye change in the mix from a single supplier.

        No doubt, Noodler’s is sourcing dyes from reputable and (mostly) reproducible sources. Of course – if that is not the case (e.g., dyes from China, India, Pakistan; to name a few)… Then all bets are off. If that is the case (problematic dye suppliers), then maybe it is time for Noodler’s to reconsider their sources.

        Summary, with dyes from reputable manufacturer’s with repeatable properties, the discontinuance of one color lost in the manufacturer’s inventory can be easily reformulated with a bit more complexity to match a previous color. If the previous color had the proper properties as a fountain pen ink, the minor dye change to reformulate to match a previous color should be simple – and retain the same/similar properties.

        Regards, David

        • Tom Johnson

          David, I don’t think you still grasp the magnitude involved. Noodler’s is far far from any typical FP inks, so far they are in another galaxy. Dyes have complex properties (used in THOUSANDS of different kinds of products). One dye back in the 70’s anesthetized fish (not intentionally), and collectors were spraying it into the Florida coral reefs to collect tropical fish to sell. It was removed from the market, there was no other dye that did this. You can bet Nathan is not purchasing “Standard” dyes, but those with the specific chemical properties beyond color that is needed. A “bit more effort” could mean a project that takes hundreds of man hours to complete, Nathan has all he can do to keep his ink and pens flowing into the marketplace. He is a one man show. You can bet he has thought all this through and knows the dye industry through and through.

  • TJ

    Brian, Nathan – How about re-naming it Black Swan in Virginia Muscadines? For those who don’t go romping through the woods and mountains, this is a wild grape that looks a lot like this color and has a fantastic flavor.

  • Lois in SWPA

    Color me Devastated. I bought a sample a while ago and finally got around to inking up with it in the last 3 weeks. I loved it. I have been savoring what is in my pen and planning to buy a bottle with my next purchase. The new version is pretty, but not BSiAR. Nathan should re-name it and let BSiAR rest in peace. The last two drops in my pen and the remains of the sample will be treasured… boo hoo.

  • $29304501

    I really like this ink. I’m glad I have a full bottle of the original formulation.

    But I have to wonder what Mr. Tardif thinks. I imagine he is frustrated by this change that occurred outside his control. It is even more frustrating that many will blame him for the change.

  • I think a name change would be a good idea. I like this new color, but the original was one of my favorites, and I’m not sure the new shade will be a go-to color for me.

  • Kate

    I’m actually excited about this. I’ve been on the hunt for a bulletproof purple, and I’m adding this to my “must sample” list. It looks beautiful in the drawings. The original wasn’t vibrant enough for me. Happy accident! (for me, anyway ๐Ÿ™‚ )

  • soniasimone

    I love BSiAR and I have to say, I’m glad I have a nice full bottle of the original. The new one is pretty but the original color is something special.

    Thanks for letting us know about the change!

    For those who want something more muted, R&K’s Alt Bordeaux is a gorgeous option, but alas, it is not at all water resistant.

    • soniasimone

      The idea of a name change is a really good suggestion.

    • soniasimone

      A color that’s surprisingly similar to BSiAR coming out of the pen (vs. in a swab) is Noodler’s Red-Black, as well.

    • Nicky

      I second the Alt-Bordeaux suggestion, it’s a lovely colour.

  • S. Tom

    Appreciate your efforts to keep us informed, Brian. And appreciate all of Nathan’s efforts to produce all the great products he does. I actually like the new color too, but I have to agree with those who said it should have a new name. It’s too different from the previous shade to be using the same name. It would be different if it wasn’t so popular. But too many people loved it as it was.

    Doesn’t mean the new ink isn’t a great Noodler’s ink, with all the great properties we expect from Noodler’s. Just seems more accurate to rename it….or at least call it “New BSiAR.”

  • BillF

    Since Black Swans cavorting among roses in Australia and those romping through the Roses in England produced related colors (or should it be colours?), should we assume that the English swans will shift hues as well?

  • washbear

    I’ll miss the old color– it was my favorite burgundy. But the new one sure looks pretty, too.

  • Vicki

    Oh, I’m so not happy. That was my all time favorite color of Noodler’s. Not good ๐Ÿ™

  • Cherry

    Glad I managed to obtain the original but this one is pretty cool looking. I may pick this up.

  • Herb

    I like the new shade better.

  • Derik Ling Yii Zhan

    Sad news as BSIAR is my fav Noodler’s ink. The new ink is nice but its no longer BSIAR to me ๐Ÿ™

  • 79spitfire

    I like the new color!

  • Nicky

    I have a full bottle of the original colour, so my disappointment mostly comes from not being able to share it with others. The new colour is pretty, though, and I do appreciate yours and Nathan’s efforts to keep us informed.

  • Ann Pace

    I am so sorry to hear this news. BSIAR has been at the top of my “want to have colors” list. The old one was a mysterious, wonderful color — I just hadn’t ordered it yet. I wish Noodler’s had dropped the color entirely and called this new one something else. It’s like substituting cherry pie for blueberry pie and still calling it blueberry pie. Or substituting pie for cake, for that matter, and calling it cake! It isn’t.

    • Ann Pace

      My apologies to everyone who had already said basically the same thing. I was just so disappointed I reacted right away. (I didn’t read your comments ’til after I posted mine.)

  • Kyle Caalim

    This is the most disappointed I have ever been in the fountain pen world. This was by far my absolute favorite ink and I have only had the pleasure of purchasing one bottle. This new formulation should not even be called BSIAR. BSIAR is gone. BSIAR was a beautiful burgundy. This new formula is PURPLE.

  • TJ

    I have most of a bottle left of the original BSiAR, which is one of my favorite inks of all time. However, I don’t have a purple ink, so I ordered a bottle of the “new” color today to add to my collection. I think they should change the name. I recommend “Black Swan in Virginia Muscadines”, which is a wild grape. Could also be “…Blue Ridge Muscadines”. I bet Nathan Tardiff will change the name.

    • TJ

      I got the new bottle of BSiAR today and I love it! I love both, and now I have both variations. I think I would have used this new version if I’d had it at work before I retired. Nice and wet in a 1.5 mm nib (what ink isn’t?).

  • Astra

    Maybe I should auction off my bottle of the old color. I seem to have a preference for more vivid purples and don’t use Aussie Roses very often.

  • dorothy_notgale

    The new version is drastically different, and needs a new “Black Swan in ______ Roses” name to reflect that. And I say this as someone who never liked the old color and is considering purchasing the new one.

  • Tiffany

    This new color is vivid and beautiful. I have an old bottle of BSiAR and it’s a little unfortunate to say that I like this new color better. They really should change the name though.

  • Olivia from the Penventory

    I managed to find a bottle of the old version from an independent seller on Amazon — it was just by chance, though. Glad I snagged some when I had the chance, despite never having sampled it before….

  • Anonymous

    I purchased 6 bottles in 2012 and wanted to purchase more today. Sorry to hear of the change. Will buy one and hopefully, like it. I am sure I won't like it as much though! ๏ฟฝ๏ฟฝ๏ฟฝ๏ฟฝ. Your honesty and openness is what keeps customers coming back. I know I will never leave!

  • Margie

    Strange that the BSAR I have (bought it at a local retailer) is a hot pink that shades to a deeper pink. I wonder what I have. I’ve though of trying some mixing–maybe add a bit of Noodler’s Black or Liberty’s Elysium to it to actually get a darker shade or a burgundy.

    • VioletGB

      I just got a sample of BSIAR and mine is a straight up hot pink as well. It doesn’t look at all like what I expected.